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Why You Can’t Make Money in FX: An Industry Insider Bares the Hard Core Truth About the Myth of the Retail Forex Market – Part 1

In response to my earlier post The Truth About Trading, the following is a guest article written by my friend Andrew, who has been working in the retail forex market for over 25 years.  We look forward to his future contributions further exposing the retail forex market for what it really is.  Feel free to directly ask Andrew questions in the comment section.

Virtuoid, I promised you my thoughts under the teaser “why you can’t make money in FX” or words to that effect. It’s time I wrote something, I have some spare time. But it won’t be the Opus I wanted, I simply can’t afford the time.

Your recent comment on another posting:

Also, if you’re using such bots at online casinos, beware that online establishments have capital preservation sensors in place and will not hesitate to deactivate accounts which exceed the expected norm of winnings. They may let you win when the stakes are relatively small, but if you start winning larger amounts, they will simply close your account. Land based casinos do something similar by barring extraordinarily winning players. Casinos are in the business of making money, and they will do whatever they have to to preserve their profits. For online casinos, it’s extremely easy to detect and shut down the winners due to having direct access to your personal account information and history.

(Ref: comment reply in Why Any Progression Must Fail For Negative Expectancy Games In the Long Run)

…  has spurred me to write something.

Because your comment is EXACTLY what FX companies do against their clients. I cannot say it loudly enough – the reason why you can’t win in FX is not because you’re a genius and not because your strategy is the best thing since sliced bread – it’s because your “Broker” won’t let you!

And there are a hundred ways they do this, and if your a genius you might be able to spot (maybe) 5 of those ways.

Lets get rid of the biggest myth of all first. “The FX market is the biggest market in the world” – Um no, actually it’s quite small. The futures on tomatoes would be a bigger market. Whoa !!!! This guy is crazy!

Really? When you hear the FX market is the biggest market in the world what you don’t hear is that that is technically true. FX is the biggest market in the world – but you will never get to trade it. The market your trading in is the Retail FX market – and it’s tiny!!!

And if that’s not bad enough wait till you hear the next bit – there is no “Exchange”, you are not trading against “the market” or other participants – there is just your “Broker” and THEY ARE NOT PLACING YOUR TRADES! Oh no, they are not. They are running a giant sim – and they completely control your profit/loss – aka they control the “Signal” and the signal is what ever they want it to be.

Some bullet points –

Assuming everyone reading this has a bank account ask yourself: When was the last time my bank rang me and offered free trades/1 pip all majors/ double your deposit as a bonus/ make 10 trades no commission etc – really, when did your bank ever ring with a silly promotion? Then ask yourself why your “Broker” is doing it? Why are they asking you to deposit more money? Or to trade more? The brutal answer is that “Brokers” view your deposit as income. And re read that last sentence a hundred times. And how do I know this? Because I’ve been involved in FX since 1988.

As Virtuoid has previously stated any book store contains hundreds if not thousands of book on “how to beat the market” – AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS RUBBISH.

You must understand that there is no market. It is entirely OTC. (I’m referring to retail FX here), and once you understand it’s entirely OTC then you will understand the Broker controls your feed/signal and then you will understand you are never betting against someone else, you are only ever betting against your Broker,  Aka”The house” and they will never let you win.

And now I hear a thousand replies, my mate won, my wife won, I won. Um, if you did win, did you withdraw? That’s when you won. The psychology behind letting a client withdraw is an exact and black science – I know – I’m the one who authorizes the withdrawals – and you’re never getting any money from me. Because that’s how I make money – stopping you withdrawing, that’s how I make commissions. So you can make all the money you want – but just try and withdraw it. Yes you can withdraw, but not without a fight.

Trading strategies – I’ve heard a million of them – and all worthless – because of what Virtuoid touched on at the top of this rant. Brokers have dealing rooms and they have algorithms which will spot your winning strategy in the blink of an eye – and they will never let you win in any meaningful way. Sure there are mistakes and some people might make a few hundred grand – but you will never make millions – and if you did they will just say its an error, sorry, take us to court.

I previously wrote to Virtuoid recalling a story that my friend and I devised a Bot (in our lunch break !) that took 10,000 to 300 million in about 9 days. Pretty amazing huh ! So why don’t we act upon it? Because we work in the industry and we know no broker will ever let us do it. What everyone reading this article must understand is that if we could really make 300 million then that would come from the broker – not the market. THERE IS NO MARKET !

But what about ECN? That’s just the market right? And the Broker is just making the spread which is their commission ? Yeah right! Ever heard of “slippage”? There is no such thing. Nothing. Completely made up. Brokers have to make money, so they use slippage (robbing money from you) and the spread to make money. But that’s just the public knowledge.

Remember I said there is no market? So who are you playing against? Mostly the house. Not always, but mostly. And it is at this point that the greatest marketing trick in history is introduced. Leverage. And plenty of it. All those big hedge funds you here about and all the banks and Geoge Soros etc, the max leverage they would use is 10 – and that’s the max!

Leverage is how the industry makes money. 300-1, not a problem. 500-1, sure. It’s this playing on greed that makes this industry so profitable. What most people do understand is that greater leverage equals greater risk, what they don’t understand is that greater leverage equals greater commission (or spread). The spread is how the industry makes money, and exploiting the ignorance of this is how they decimate clients.

I have so much more to write, but must go now. I welcome any questions.

6 replies on “Why You Can’t Make Money in FX: An Industry Insider Bares the Hard Core Truth About the Myth of the Retail Forex Market – Part 1”

Hey very cool article!! Man .. Beautiful .. Wonderful … I lost soooo much $$$ to those broker croooks, and now I knoe why , hey, too bad I didn’t come across ur site sooner, thank you for sharing . . . . . .

Rubbish post! FX retail volume according to Forexmagnates “$185 billion, or 3.5% of the $5.3 trillion, was retail flow. Of the $185 billion, $78 billion was registered as FX spot with a slightly smaller amount ($74 billion) in FX swaps.”
Theoratically, ECN brokers can make a profit by charging commission etc.
I think, Mr 18 years in business didnt follow how CFTC and NFA regulates market. Sure there are scammers out there but nowadays it is difficult to cheat and broker realize that they must offer good service or perish in the face of fierce competition.

Oh dear, it appears there is still one born every minute.
I suspect you work in the industry, but if that’s the case why did you bother posting on our tiny forum ? Are you that sensitive? Are you one of the paid trolls earning $1 a post? (I’ve used them myself) to defend an indefensible industry. Or are you new to the industry and you’ve just made your first deposit, now up late studying charts and analyzing signals? Assuming you are a retail client let me try and help you, because I will bet my house you will lose your money.
Firstly, re magnates report, you may want to look at who the publisher is, ie, the owners and their motivation in publishing. It is a demonstrable nonsense that “FX retail volume according to Forexmagnates “$185 billion, or 3.5% of the $5.3 trillion, was retail flow. Of the $185 billion, $78 billion was registered as FX spot with a slightly smaller amount ($74 billion) in FX swaps.”
These are the kind of figures retail FX brokers love throwing about. But as I said in my previous post, there is no retail FX industry therefore there was no “$185 billion” in trades. And note the last word of my previous sentence, “Trades”. ‘Trades’ means Exchange traded or Futures – these are ACTUAL trades. A broker stands in the middle and FACILITATES an EXCHANGE. Ownership is transferred. That does not happen with retail FX. There is no exchange, there is no trade, thus there is no transfer of ownership.
I want you to imagine that you and I live on an island by ourselves. We both sit at a pair of tables facing each other and on each table is $1 million in cash. And we are going to bet on (say) horse racing, or football, or a fly going up a wall – and we are going to determine the results by looking at our TV. So far so good. No middleman (broker) and instant cash settlement between you and I.
Now I want you to imagine a castaway arrives on our island and says “guys, you are doing it all wrong, why bother counting and re counting and sitting in the hot sun all day long, just go back to your respective beach huts and I will organise the trading for you, that way you get to sit at home and I will do all the work for you, but in exchange I want 0.001% commission.”
Wow we think, this guy is really stupid, he has to do all the work for a tiny commission and we get to go home and place our trades online. It’s a deal !
But the castaway is a really nice guy and he points out to us that he’s actually done this deal with a number of other islander groups and that there’s actually a BIG MARKET to trade on that we didn’t know about. We were so stupid just betting with each other. With this bigger market we can now bet on things that previously only one of us wanted to bet on, but now it doesn’t matter because we will now always be “matched” by an opposing party. Sounds great, what have we be missing out on.
But you and I are not stupid and must admit we are a bit wary of placing our $1 million in cash with him. But he placated us by saying “Don’t worry, I’m regulated and your money is held in trust”. Wow, that’s a relief.
We start happily trading with everyone else and some are winning and some are losing – all normal thus far. But all of a sudden you make $500,000 and you think the safe thing to do would be to withdraw that $500k and leave the rest to bet with. You call the castaway to withdraw but he says he can offer you an even better commission deal and access to even more markets and best of all – access to a “secret” TV signal that lows you to see the TV results before I do – so you know the result before I do therefore you should win. So you agree to leave your $500k on deposit with Mr Castaway because after all, he’s regulated and the money is held in trust.
This goes on for a few months. And then you make contact with the other traders on other islands. All is well. But then you hear about another trader who also “Made” 500k – and amazingly, he was offered the same deal as you. What a co-incidence!
A few more months pass by.
You hear stories of people making $500 here, $10,000 there and they do get to withdraw their money. This gives you great comfort.
A few more months pass by.
And Mr Castaway says “Hey guys, all this organizing is costing me a lot of money, so from now on I’m going to charge you 1% commission to place your bets on the outcome of results you see on TV, but, would you believe it, I’ve invented a new sport and its called “Rain Drop” betting. You simply watch your TV and bet on which rain drop hits the ground first. And the commission is only 0.0001% – aren’t I just the most amazing guy ! ‘But wait, there’s more! – I will also let you leverage your bets 500-1.
What a great man Mr Castaway is. Not only is he charging us a tiny commission, but he lets us leverage our bets! And because he’s regulated, it must all be legit…
A few months go by.
We speak to the other traders and we all notice that ALL OF US are losing money. How can this be? Surely if one of us loses money then the other guy makes money? But then we hear of another trader who made $2 million – WOW, sure wish I was him. But when I ring the lucky guy with $2 million to ask he if made a withdrawal he said he hadn’t, he had been offered an even better deal to stay in the market.
A few months go by.
Not a single trader has any money left and Mr Castaway has (legally) closed the business.
In essence I’ve just described the retail FX industry.
MR Castaway is your friendly FX broker.
The results that can be seen on TV is the stock exchange or futures market (verifiable results) and the rain drop market (non verifiable and able to be manipulated – you can’t see what he does with the rain drops) is the retail FX market.
Obviously, the low commision and introduction of leverage is also retail FX.
So what happened? How did everyone lose?
Simple – THERE WAS NO MARKET.
Mr Castaway just took your deposits and everytime you bet $100 (leveraged to $10,000) he just arbitrarily decided whether to let you win or not. He played a psychological game by slowly reeling you in. Your bet was never cross matched with anyone else – why would he do that? He was the one deciding whether you would win or not.
But there was a profitable niche in publishing books on how to beat the rain drop market. Books on Japanese candle sticks, Fibonacci rain patterns, break out rain drop patterns – they were all so knowledgeable !
And then there were the reports put out quarterly by Mr Castaway titled “rain drop magnates report” which pointed out that the actual size of the rain drop market was $185 billion…

I figured as much. When I lost $250 in a matter of hours with a huge spike that took-out my stop; I was suspicious. Proving anything is virtually impossible.

I don’t trust anything electronic – including AI games in brick and mortar casinos.

With this “revelation” I don’t understand why the “experts” who are supposed to oversee trading etc haven’t announced this as the truth and made all Forex trading “illegal.”

Thanks for sharing, David.

Yeah, the reason why Forex trading is not “illegal” is because when you sign up for an account, you sign an agreement that the broker is a market maker, which means basically that he can set whatever prices he wants to, independent of the “real” market. Just like casinos, where everyone knows the odds are stacked in their favor by design, so too forex brokers have the advantage, simply because they can dictate the rules (legally). In essence, they have a government sanctioned license to steal.

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