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The Law of Small Numbers

Most who have studied elementary probability and statistics are familiar with the Law of Large Numbers, which basically says that given a large enough sample size, the statistics of naturally random events approach their mathematically predicted probabilities.

For example, flip a fair coin a million times (a relatively large number of trials), and the probability of heads and tails will be pretty close to 50% for each.

Conversely, the Law of Small Numbers says in a relatively small sample, anything can happen.

That is, flip a fair coin ten times (a relatively small number of trials), and the probability of heads and tails will likely not be 50% for each.

The Law of Small Numbers explains why many people often commit intuitive errors when searching for patterns and relationships in data.

In his book Thinking, Fast and Slow, Daniel Kahneman, psychologist and the 2002 Nobel laureate in economics, offers this interesting example about the incidence of kidney cancer in the U.S.:

CONSIDER THIS: A study of the incidence of kidney cancer in the 3,141 counties of the United States reveals a remarkable pattern. The counties in which the incidence of kidney cancer is lowest are mostly rural, sparsely populated, and located in traditionally Republican states in the Midwest, the South, and the West. Now, what do you make of this information?

Your mind has been very active in the last few seconds, and it was mainly operating in what I call System 2 — the “slow” mode of thinking involved in effortful activities such as doing taxes, comparing two washing machines for best value, or driving in traffic. You deliberately searched memory and formulated hypotheses. Some effort was involved; your pupils dilated, and your heart rate increased measurably. But System 1 — the “fast” mode, which includes reacting to loud sounds, understanding simple sentences, and driving on empty roads — was not idle: You probably rejected the idea that Republican politics provide protection against kidney cancer. Very likely, you ended up focusing on the fact that the counties with low incidence of cancer are mostly rural. The statisticians Howard Wainer and Harris Zwerling, from whom I learned this example, commented, “It is both easy and tempting to infer that their low cancer rates are directly due to the clean living of the rural lifestyle — no air pollution, no water pollution, access to fresh food without additives.” This makes perfect sense.

Now consider the counties in which the incidence of kidney cancer is highest. These ailing counties tend to be mostly rural, sparsely populated, and located in traditionally Republican states in the Midwest, the South, and the West. Wainer and Zwerling comment, “It is easy to infer that their high cancer rates might be directly due to the poverty of the rural lifestyle — no access to good medical care, a high-fat diet, and too much alcohol, too much tobacco.” Something is wrong, of course. The rural lifestyle cannot explain both a very high and a very low incidence of kidney cancer.

The key factor is not that the counties were rural or predominantly Republican. It is that rural counties have small populations. And the main lesson to be learned is not about epidemiology, it is about the difficult relationship between our mind and statistics. System 1 is highly adept in one form of thinking — it automatically and effortlessly identifies causal connections between events, sometimes even when the connection is spurious. When told about the high-incidence counties, you immediately assumed that these counties are different from other counties for a reason, that there must be a cause that explains this difference. As we shall see, however, System 1 is inept when faced with “merely statistical” facts, which change the probability of outcomes but do not cause them to happen.

He continues to discuss how humans have a predilection to try to find  predictable patterns in otherwise random events:

A RANDOM EVENT, by definition, does not lend itself to explanation, but collections of random events do behave in a highly regular fashion. Imagine a large urn filled with marbles. Half the marbles are red, half are white. Next, imagine a very patient person (or a robot) who blindly draws four marbles from the urn, records the number of red balls in the sample, throws the balls back into the urn, and then does it all again, many times. If you summarize the results, you will find that the outcome “two red, two white” occurs (almost exactly) six times as often as the outcome “four red” or “four white.” This relationship is a mathematical fact.

A related statistical fact is relevant to the cancer example. From the same urn, two very patient marble counters take turns. Jack draws four marbles on each trial, Jill draws seven. They both record each time they observe a homogeneous sample — all white or all red. If they go on long enough, Jack will observe such extreme outcomes more often than Jill — by a factor of eight (the expected percentages are 12.5 percent and 1.56 percent). No causation, but a mathematical fact: Samples of four marbles yield extreme results more often than samples of seven marbles do.

Now imagine the population of the United States as marbles in a giant urn. Some marbles are marked KC, for kidney cancer. You draw samples of marbles and populate each county in turn. Rural samples are smaller than other samples. Just as in the game of Jack and Jill, extreme outcomes (very high and/or very low cancer rates) are most likely to be found in sparsely populated counties. This is all there is to the story.

Our predilection for causal thinking exposes us to serious mistakes in evaluating the randomness of truly random events. For an example, take the sex of six babies born in sequence at a hospital. The sequence of boys and girls is obviously random; the events are independent of each other, and the number of boys and girls who were born in the hospital in the last few hours has no effect whatsoever on the sex of the next baby. Now consider three possible sequences:

BBBGGG

GGGGGG

BGBBGB

Are the sequences equally likely? The intuitive answer — “of course not!” — is false. Because the events are independent and because the outcomes B and G are (approximately) equally likely, then any possible sequence of six births is as likely as any other. Even now that you know this conclusion is true, it remains counterintuitive, because only the third sequence appears random. As expected, BGBBGB is judged much more likely than the other two sequences. We are pattern seekers, believers in a coherent world, in which regularities (such as a sequence of six girls) appear not by accident but as a result of mechanical causality or of someone’s intention. We do not expect to see regularity produced by a random process, and when we detect what appears to be a rule, we quickly reject the idea that the process is truly random. Random processes produce many sequences that convince people that the process is not random after all. You can see why assuming causality could have had evolutionary advantages. It is part of the general vigilance that we have inherited from ancestors. We are automatically on the lookout for the possibility that the environment has changed. Lions may appear on the plain at random times, but it would be safer to notice and respond to an apparent increase in the rate of appearance of prides of lions, even if it is actually due to the fluctuations of a random process.

Continuing, he exposes the myth of the hot hand in basketball:

AMOS TVERSKY AND his students Tom Gilovich and Robert Vallone once caused a stir with their study of misperceptions of randomness in basketball. The “fact” that players occasionally acquire a hot hand is generally accepted by players, coaches, and fans. The inference is irresistible: A player sinks three or four baskets in a row and you cannot help forming the causal judgment that this player is now hot, with a temporarily increased propensity to score. Players on both teams adapt to this judgment — teammates are more likely to pass to the hot scorer and the defense is more likely to double-team. Analysis of thousands of sequences of shots led to a disappointing conclusion: There is no such thing as a hot hand in professional basketball, either in shooting from the field or scoring from the foul line. Of course, some players are more accurate than others, but the sequence of successes and missed shots satisfies all tests of randomness. The hot hand is entirely in the eye of the beholders, who are consistently too quick to perceive order and causality in randomness. The hot hand is a massive and widespread cognitive illusion.

The public reaction to this research is part of the story. The finding was picked up by the press because of its surprising conclusion, and the general response was disbelief. When the celebrated coach of the Boston Celtics, Red Auerbach, heard of Gilovich and his study, he responded, “Who is this guy? So he makes a study. I couldn’t care less.” The tendency to see patterns in randomness is overwhelming — certainly more impressive than a guy making a study.

He also reveals the real reason behind why some schools appear more successful than others:

I BEGAN WITH the example of cancer incidence across the United States. The example appears in a book intended for statistics teachers, but I learned about it from an amusing article by the two statisticians I quoted earlier, Wainer and Zwerling. Their essay focused on a large investment, some $1.7 billion, which the Gates Foundation made to follow up intriguing findings on the characteristics of the most successful schools. Many researchers have sought the secret of successful education by identifying the most successful schools in the hope of discovering what distinguishes them from others. One of the conclusions of this research is that the most successful schools, on average, are small. In a survey of 1,662 schools in Pennsylvania, for instance, six of the top 50 were small, which is an overrepresentation by a factor of four. These data encouraged the Gates Foundation to make its investment in the creation of small schools, sometimes by splitting large schools into smaller units.

This probably makes intuitive sense to you. It is easy to construct a causal story that explains how small schools are able to provide superior education and thus produce high-achieving scholars by giving them more personal attention and encouragement than they could get in larger schools.

Unfortunately, the causal analysis is pointless because the facts are wrong. If the statisticians who reported to the Gates Foundation had asked about the characteristics of the worst schools, they would have found that bad schools also tend to be smaller than average. The truth is that small schools are not better on average; they are simply more variable. If anything, say Wainer and Zwerling, large schools tend to produce better results, especially in higher grades, where a variety of curricular options is valuable.

The law of small numbers is part of a larger story about the workings of the mind: Statistics produce many observations that appear to beg for causal explanations but do not lend themselves to such explanations. Many facts of the world are due to chance, including accidents of sampling. And causal explanations of chance events are inevitably wrong.

Above quotes excerpted from Thinking, Fast and Slow, ©2011 by Daniel Kahneman. Reprinted in the article The Dangers of Quick Thinking in The Week by permission of Farrar, Straus & Giroux.

The implications of the Law of Small Numbers to evaluating gaming and trading systems are quite clear.  Unfortunately, too many believe testing over hundreds, thousands, and even tens of thousands of trials is sufficient.  Anything can happen in such small sample sizes, and acting on the results of such limited testing is foolish and risky.

Worse are those who don’t even understand the notion of “long term” to appreciate the value in any kind of testing at all.  They seem to regard the tunnel vision required by playing “the shoe at hand” or trading “in the moment” as the heroic way to succeed.  Hopefully they are as oblivious to the pain of loss as they are to the real reason why they sometimes win.

Objective evaluation of a system’s claims should always require testing over sufficiently large data sets which reach into the domain of the Law of Large Numbers, the larger, the better.  When presented with a claim that a system wins 600, 1000, or tens of thousands of shoes or trades, you should not hesitate to ask whether it can win another, and another.

If someone dismisses your request for more statistics, you can be sure one or more of the following are true:  1) he does not understand its importance, 2) he does not know how to go about doing it, 3) he does not want to know, or 4) he does not want you to know.

When money is on the line, none of these reasons are very good.

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The hot hand, whether on the basketball court or at the craps table, is "a massive and widespread cognitive illusion" that can be blamed on people being "too quick to perceive order and causality in randomness," says Daniel Kahneman. Photo: Zero Creatives/cultura/Corbis

31 replies on “The Law of Small Numbers”

Well, I agree that it is a common and tragic mistake to “see” patterns in random occurrences. As the joke goes,”He sees patterns in cloud formations”.

But I think the opposite mistake is even more common and more tragic – to ignore meaningful patterns by chalking them up to randon occurrence.

To an astute meteorologist cloud formations ARE meaningful. Wall clouds and rotation, for instance, have important meaning if you happen to live in tornado country.

To use your own analogy, local rural cancer rates have special meaning if you happen to be living on an ancient land fill or a Love canal. To chalk them up to small sample size would be a tragic mistake.

Weather forecasting, tornado warning systems, hurricane tracking, tsunami warning systems, volcanic and earthquake predictions are all based on slight deviation from normal random occurrence. It would be a huge mistake to chalk everything up to the outer edge of the random envelop. Perhaps some day we will be able to predict earthquakes as well as cats already do.

Some think that global warming is nothing more than normal coincidental deviation in random activity. We call them Republicans.

Correct, in Baccarat all 64 possible patterns of 6 occur at the same frequency IN THE LONG RUN (over thousands of shoes). But as you so ably point out, random occurrence frequency deteriorates in small sample sizes. But we play the game in very small sample sizes, don’t we. In small sample sizes we learn to expect the unexpected. In small samples of 40 to 80 plays event frequencies work AWAY from normal frequency expectancy. You are far better off to bet WITH biases than to bet everything will work toward its normal frequency. In the millions of shoes dealt worldwide, the shoe where ALL events exactly hit their normal frequency of occurrence has yet to be dealt. Yet people by the thousands are taught that way and play that way. This produces impossibly high casino profits for a 50/50 game plus 1.25% commission -as high as 26% of your buy in money in many casinos. How? Why? Because most players bet on random frequency. Sorry, but it ain’t going to happen.

I’m surprised you would pick basketball as an analogy. Anyone who has played the game knows that you have hot days and cold days. Somedays that ball seems like it is part of you. Other days it’s like an unfamiliar foreign object. The same is true of a golf club or a tennis racket or a pool cue or a race car. Sure, everything is random if you select a large enough sample. But we play these games in individual games. And on given days we can be hot or cold. Math has nothing to do with it.

Hey, I’m a mathematician too. But I’ve been around long enough to let you in on a little secret. Math doesn’t explain EVERYTHING! Only the youngest math heads still think so.

The scenario regarding the probability of the sex of babies is demonstrably wrong. It is a common mistake and proves the theory that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
I will keep this as simple as possible for the benefit of the average reader.

The author states that these 3 scenarios are equally likely –

A) BBBGGG

B) GGGGGG

C) BGBBGB

And goes on to say that most people pick option 3 and that their wrong and the real answer is there all just as likely and that’s counter intuitive.

Actually the most likely outcome, in order is

BGBBGB

BBBGGG

GGGGGG

Let me explain. (And its fortuitous that the author picked 6 babies because that matches the 6 sides of a Die which I will get to later)

If there are 6 babies then that means there are 64 possible outcomes in the male/female combinations. Lets put his selection at the beginning of the possible combinations –

GGGGGG

and in between we put 62 combinations, such as

GGGGGB

GGGGBB

And so on until we reach our final selection of

BBBBBB.

It is important to note that I have placed his selection (GGGGGG) at the beginning (we will call that the far left hand side) and the opposing selection (BBBBBB) at the end (we will call that the far right side) and all the jumbled up combinations are between these two combinations.

Let’s give the author a free kick and he can also have the combination BBBBBB, so that he now has two possible combinations – the two extreme combinations. The far left and the far right. That also means I get two picks and my two picks ARE ANY 2 PICKS EXCEPT HIS. So picture the scenario of a man looking at 64 upturned paper cups. Under 4 of these cups are money, under the other 60 cups there is nothing. Now place the authors two cups at either end of the line of cups and randomly place my two cups anywhere except where his are. Now lets imagine a blindfolded man randomly picks 4 cups – what are the odds that one of his picks will be to pick a cup at either end of the line?

If that’s not clear let me put it this way.

In theory, the results are equally likely. All 3 examples specify the sex that must appear each time a baby is born For example, the 3rd baby in the first series must be a boy. The 2nd baby in the second series must be a girl etc. Each baby ,1 through 6—has an equal chance of being a boy or a girl.

But lets say these babies were born out of my view and you told me the results were one of the 3 examples given. Which series is more likely ?
Because the event has already occurred (the babies have been born) then the answer is C). It’s far more likely the outcome was a mixed bunch of combinations than a series of identical letters.

And if that’s not clear let me put it in terms any Craps gambler will understand. The Author is saying that if you look at the results of 6 throw of the die then you are JUST AS LIKELY to see the number (say 12) repeated 6 times as you are ANY OTHER COMBINATION. And who ever saw that?

Actually, the author is correct that A, B, and C are equally likely.

Also, his example using 6 results each having 2 possible outcomes (boy vs. girl) has nothing to do with the 6 possible outcomes of dice (the values 1 through 6), which you state. It seems your analysis is flawed, because you’re treating the outcomes in such a way that compares one value against all other values, that is, for example, “1” vs. “Any value other than 1.” You’re not comparing apples with apples by doing this.

Rather, the author’s example is more directly comparable to binary type of outcomes, such as in baccarat (P vs. B) or roulette (R vs. B, even vs. odd) or, if you prefer, craps (Come vs. Don’t Come, Pass vs. Don’t Pass).

And probabilistically speaking, the author is absolutely correct that any sequence of binary outcomes is as equally likely as any other of the same length.

They are equally likely BEFORE the event. But the author stated the event has happened and posits 3 scenarios, this being the case then the maths is easy. Post event the odds are in favour of a jumbled combination. I suggest a study of entropy in maths for those that are interested.

Again, allow me to provide some clarity to your comments:

1. Mathematically speaking, the probability of the gender of the next baby born in any sequence is always 50/50, because they are independent binary events. That is, BEFORE the completion of a sequence of any given length (in this specific example, length = 6), the probability that the next outcome is one gender or the other is simply 1/2.

2. Each of the author’s 3 scenarios A, B, C, are equally likely AFTER the completion of the 6 outcomes. This follows directly from statement 1. More precisely, the odds of any one of the scenarios occurring is (1/2)^6, or 1/64.

3. I believe your confusion lies in misinterpreting the author’s scenarios.

The author is NOT saying,

“The following scenarios are equally likely: A) 3 boys and 3 girls in any order (of which BBBGGG is just one example), B) 6 girls in a row (of which GGGGGG is the only example), C) 4 boys and 2 girls in any order (of which BGBBGB is just one example).”

Apparently, that is how you are interpreting the scenarios, and clearly, the odds of each of the above cases are not equal.

Rather, the author IS stating that any specific sequence of binary results of a given length are equally likely (again, AFTER the results occur), for example, A) BBBGGG, B) GGGGGG, and C) BGBBGB (and 61 other sequences of 6 results). And he absolutely right.

I agree with you. If only that’s what the Author was saying! So often these scenarios are open to misinterpretation because of the way they are phrased. And the Author has put it in such a way that it only leaves room for one answer.
Let me put it this way. If he stated what were the odds BEFORE any given sequence of 6 babies? Then he is correct. But he states the event has happened and MOST IMPORTANTLY he only gives 3 scenarios. So to put it in lay men’s terms, there are 2 outcomes which result in a sequence of the same sex (GGGGGG and BBBBBB) which is 2 out of 64 and all the rest are jumbled results. He then offers one of these (GGGGGG) as part of his sample of 3 possible sequences. So I ask you, do you want to pick a sequence that is 1/64 (GGGGGG) or do you want to pick a jumbled result that is 62/64.
Please remember, the event has happened and he only offers 3 sequences – that is crucial.

Hmm … here’s the author’s exact words …

Our predilection for causal thinking exposes us to serious mistakes in evaluating the randomness of truly random events. For an example, take the sex of six babies born in sequence at a hospital. The sequence of boys and girls is obviously random; the events are independent of each other, and the number of boys and girls who were born in the hospital in the last few hours has no effect whatsoever on the sex of the next baby. Now consider three possible sequences:

BBBGGG

GGGGGG

BGBBGB

Are the sequences equally likely? The intuitive answer — “of course not!” — is false. Because the events are independent and because the outcomes B and G are (approximately) equally likely, then any possible sequence of six births is as likely as any other.

Seems to me the author explains his point pretty straightforwardly, clearly, and accurately. I don’t see where the confusion you’re referring to arises. Please elaborate where you think he is being unclear. Thanks!

Ok, I will make it as easy as possible for you.

Say you plan to roll a die 20 times. Which of these results is more likely:
(a) 11111111111111111111,
or (b) 66234441536125563152?

Both (a) and (b) are equally likely. The probability of either sequence occurring is (1/6)^20.

In response to “Virtuoid” re the quiz of probability re numbers 1-20. The quiz I posed is a direct copy n paste from a querry posed to Marilyn Vos Savant. Her response is the same as mine. You can look it up on any number of websites.

Thanks. I read Marilyn’s answer and understand her explanation, and while in the first part of her answer she agrees that the two sequences are equally likely based on “theory” (which I take it she means the conventional definition of probability), I think she is not comparing apples to apples in the second part of her answer.

To justify her answer a sequence of mixed results (66234441536125563152) is more likely than a sequence of a single number (11111111111111111111) as a result of tossing a die 20 times in a row, she says she has already rolled the die 20 times, written the results down on a piece of paper in front of her, and then offers the reader the chance to guess which sequence occurred, either a) 11111111111111111111 or b) 66234441536125563152. In this context, she says the more “likely” answer is b).

I can understand her answer from the standpoint of entropy, since there are more ways the rolls of die will yield different numbers in 20 tries than there are ways the rolls will yield just a single number 20 times in a row. More technically, b) has higher entropy than a), and thus is more “likely.”

However, it is still true that for her sequence to have yielded the exact sequence 66234441536125563152, the probability is (1/6)^20, which is exactly the same as any other sequence of 20, including 11111111111111111111. (She herself admits this in the first part of her answer.)

The only way I can make sense of both her answers is to conclude that she is using the conventional, “technical,” “stricter” definition of probability in the first, but a different, more “subjective,” “intuitive,” “entropic” definition of probability in the second.

Virtuoid, you know what? I agree with you. You have raised some interesting distinctions that have previously troubled me with her explanation. I was going to call it a draw but I will give it to you 51/49. Well done!

Thanks, Abs.
Thanks for bringing this up and helping me appreciate another way to think about the scenario.
Happy Thanksgiving! 🙂

I’m enjoying this conversation but I would like to steer it into a more practical direction. It seems to me that what started this conversation is the question: “are casino cards random?”

With 30 years of practical experience. my answer is: “Sometimes”

To put it in a more practical sense we might reword the question to: “Can a player use the non randomness of casino cards to gain advantage in the game?” My answer to that is a resounding “Yes.”

While it was Baccarat that started this conversation I think it is easier to explain and understand from the standpoint of Blackjack.

Let me just add that shuffle technology is someting that casinos live sleep and eat.

We might boil the question down to: “How many shuffles does it take to ‘randomize’ a deck of cards?

You might ask: “From what condition?”. The answer should be: “from ANY non random condition.” Non random is non random. But to keep the conversation practical, lets say: “from sealed boxed card order” – because, at the end of the day ALL casino cards started out in individual deck sealed boxed card order at the beginning of the day.

Let’s leave shuffle machines out of the conversation for now to keep the question clean and simple. After all, you could select only hand shuffled games in a casino but I might add that shuffle machines are designed to duplicate hand shuffles.

Which brings us back to the question: “How many shuffles does it take to randomize a single deck of sealed boxed card order cards?

Well, many years ago a Canadian Mathematician, after much experimenting, “declared” 25.

More recently computer scientists declared 7.

My own sense of it is that the answer is somewhere in between. As proof I offer the following practical experiment: Shuffle a boxed card order deck of cards 7 times as best you can and then examine them. You will still see remnants of the boxed card order. How many? Too many.

Recognize that if it takes say 10 shuffles to produce random cards in a single deck, then 2 decks takes 10 to the 2nd power and 8 decks takes 10 to the 8th power – in other words, all week.

Now, how many shuuffles do casino cards get? Answer: 2. Yes, it used to be that casino control commissions required 3 but that went the way of many control commission “rules”. I think the practical answer is: “Not nearly enough.”

You might say: but Ellis, certainly continuous use and shuffles of the same cards will eventually “randomize” them. Sorry, no. In fact, the opposite is true. The more the cards are used, the longer the game, the more players in the game, the more biased (non random) the cards will become. In fact, early morning cards, immediately after the boxed card order starting card prep, are the best (most random) cards you will see all day, if I can be permitted such a term.

How and why? Due to a simple age old casino rule that few note or pay any attention to: “the dealer must pick up the break cards first”.

First, when we examine this rule under the light of day, we find that it serves no purpose except to bias the game in the casino’s favor. Again, the opposite is true. After all, except for this rule, any BJ dispute, and there are many, could be completely settled by simply dealing back the cards from the discard shoe. But, because the break cards were picked up first, the cards in the discard shoe are not in reverse order. So all disputes are simply settled in the casino’s favor.

What are break cards? They are mostly low cards. What are non break cards? Mostly high cards. Therefore this unnoticed rule means the discard shoe is filled with mostly high card clumps and mostly low card clumps.

But Ellis you say, the cards are going to be shuffled! Yeah right. TWICE – Not nearly enough to rid the upcomming shoe of these manufactured high/low clumps. This GREATLY favors the casino.
How, Why?

In random cards, the dealer breaks 28% of the time. That is YOUR biggest advantage in the game. But in clumped cards not nearly so much and sometimes not at all. There went your advantage.

A simple experiment will quickly show you how clumping destroys your greatest asset in the game.

Take the aces out of a single deck of cards and separate the lows (2-7) from the highs (8-10) to form two equal piles of 24 cards each. (Maximum clumping) Put the high pile on top and deal yourself a game of BJ just you against the dealer. You will quickly see that the dealer never breaks, let alone 28%. You stand no chance whatsoever.

Do you get it yet? The more the game is clumped, the less the dealer breaks, the more the game favors the casino. The longer cards are played and the more players in the game, the more the cards will clump. Perfect Basic strategy is reduced to a 43% hands won rate. Where are you going with a 43% hands won rate? Perfect Basic Strategy loses perfectly! Ha, and you thought it was you. Now do you see why dealers must pick up the break cards first? To beat you, plain and simple and “legally”.

So that is the bad news. Whet is the good news?

Cards that aren’t random are biased. You can learn to use that bias to beat them. In other words, you can lean to use their own “cheating” to beat them. You guys who think casinos would never cheat – play them for 30 years successfully so you have some sense of what you are talking about

Virtuoid copied my play for 6 Baccarat shoes at 4 tables at two different casinos in AC. We played to a 26% Player Advantage – perhaps a world record for 6 shoes.

I played BJ full time in A.C for 3 years W/O a single losing day, perhaps another world record.

I know how to put this random/non-random discussions to practical use very successfully. That is what I do and that is what I teach.

Let me ask one thing to the author. If every independent and equal odds events are as much likely as others in every trial, why don’t someone reported getting 25 continuous hits of a single number ever? Why in the entire recorded history of the game called roulette, only 7 consecutive hits were noticed? If every spin can generate as much Blacks and Reds, why didn’t someone ever see 50 Blacks in a row? Isn’t a session of 50 spins small enough to get something like that? Minor variance or dispersion in a few spins does not mean that anything is possible in a small sample. This theory has a limited scope and is true to a very narrow extent.

And Al, you might add to your question the fact that in Baccarat, where there are only two outcomes possible, not counting ties, the longest runs ever recorded for either Bank or Player is 27 Banks and 26 Players.

The odds here would be fairly close to Roulette black vs red, odd vs even and high vs low.

@Albalaha – I can tell you that you have not played Roulette enough to say that there are no more than 7 consecutive hits. I personally played on a streak of 11. This is with 0 and 00. In roulette, it’s harder to get really long streaks because you have 0 and 00 as possibilities. When you’re talking about 25 consecutive 1s and 25 random numbers rolling a die, the probability of the 26th 1 and 26 random number are both 1/(6)^6.

@E. Clifton Davis – If you’re talking about consecutive in Baccarat, you CANNOT leave out ties. I’m not saying that you can’t get 27 consecutive bankers and 26 players, but anytime you have a tie in between, that is not consider consecutive any longer. I have not seen such a long streak but that doesn’t mean someone else hasn’t. The record in my book is 17 consecutive player, 18 consecutive banker and 7 consecutive ties.

See, in Bac, a run is a run regardless if it has a tie in it someplace. Because you don’t lose on a tie. So a tie is a non event. Nothing happens.

But in rue, a 0 or 00 IS an event. You lose. Unless of course you were betting on the 0 00. Then it too becomes a non event.

But changing the subject a little I have discovered that Las Vegas factory preshuffled cards which nearly all Vegas casinos use exclusively now, produce shoes that are artificially too close to perfect random.

A waited count of events puts events much closer to their mathematical frequency of occurence than is randomly possible. This gave me the basis for a highly effective system against such cards. Basically it bets that events will only wander so far from perfect random.

Don’t argue the point with me because we are already achieving a 95% shoe win rate over hundreds of Vegas shoes with multiple players played at $200 min bets. That is the highest performance a purely mechanical 3 bet progression has ever achieved in the history of gaming. We are simply taking advantage of a situation the casinos have put themselves in.

How long this windfall will last I have no idea. But I see no reason for the casinos to change their tactics just for the few of us when they are soundly beating everyone else.

However, the Flamingo went back to regular cards when our player, Art, won every shoe for 3 days straight. Coincidence? Ha, when it comes to casino tactics I don’t believe in coincidence much.

Okay Clif. I was just point out streaks because I know a lot of players use Marty on those long streaks. Ties are indeed no event because you don’t lose but a lot of players consider the tie as part of the streak and go crazy with their bets.

I don’t know you and don’t know your system or what you claim that it can do. Starting bets of $200 means nothing. At my casino, I see people playing at $300 and $500 min tables. They win from 50K-300K. I would say 200K on average. I don’t follow these people around so I don’t know what their losing days are like.

By the way, if your system is purely mechanical, suggest you take this Baccarat challenge on this website I saw. The prize is 20K and space on his website to tell everyone how good the system is. Sounds like the guy is desperate for a challenger and I want to see someone win that challenge. If what you have is purely mechanical and as good as you say, I don’t see why you wouldn’t take that challenge.

Not here to argue anything as there are dozens out their claiming what their system can do. I don’t argue anything because I see too many people doing that and it gets old.

Albalaha – After reading your post again, I realize you were referring to consecutively hitting the same NUMBERS. My mind was stuck on Baccarat and thought you were referring to hits of on black or red.

Absolutely correct Kelvynn. Put simply: the cards do not know the color of your chips. The amount of your bet has nothing to do with the outcome. That, I think, is a given.

Well except perhaps on line. I’m told that some on line casinos are programmed to always select the side that has the least money bet on it. But that is a wholly different conversation.

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Knowledge of all these theories just make you an educated and informed player, not a winner. The real and useful mathematics that is required to be taught is something no one bothers to talk. “Law of small numbers” have ambiguity and is a weak law, while “Law of large numbers” has wider importance and one should be very much aware of that. One may refer to this topic on a discussion about “Law of large numbers”: http://albalaha.lefora.com/2013/06/19/reality-of-law-of-large-numbers/

Baccarat cannot be solved by Mathematics or progressions period. Many have tried – all unsuccessful. The solution lies elsewhere.

Just as Basic strategy with or without card counting cannot solve BJ alone. Again, the solution lies elsewhere regardless of what Holywood movies portray. Both BS and CC ignore the most important information available to you. Both, therefore, lose in the real world.

Correct albalaha! Over hundreds of shoes everything works out to its normal freqency of occurrence. We will see 50% opposites and 50% repeats; a 1 every 4 plays,a2every 8 plays ; a 3 every 16 plays, erc. We will see about 49% Players and 51% banks.

But fortunately, we aren’t playing against the outcomes of a thousand shoes. We are playing against singtle shoes – about 72 plays. And in that tiny glimpse of time, virtually anything can happen. But whatever IS happening, it is best to bet it will keep on happening. Because single shoes develop conditioning mostly caused by the shuffle technique together with continuous play. The casinos know this and take advantage of it and have been for years. The average casino percentage of the drop steadily rose from 3% in the late ’80s to 15% today with no changes in the rules. Some casinos are even higher than that using factory preshuffled cards. Some are even being investigated. But I’ll bet here and now that they won’t be found guilty of any wrong doing. Just as in BJ, continuous play creates strong biases, often seemingly impossibly strong biases.

A “Repeat” is when the same side wins again. We’ve all seen impossibly streakiy tables shoe after shoe for hours on end. I ask you – take a shoe that ends up 70% Repears instead of the mathematical 50% – what were your odds of winning every time you bet Repeat in that shoe? They sure as hell weren’t 50% were they.

But the average player doesn’t bet WITH a bias. They bet AGAINST biases – that everything will normalize – and rhey lose at rates that far exceed the game odds.

So the FIRST thing a successful Baccarat player must learn is to bet WITH the bias.

Ha, unless he is playing new factory preshuffled cards. Now he must reverse his whole strategy.

That is pretty much the whole secret of beating Baccarat – and it has absolutely nothing to do with math and everything to do with observation.

Virtuoid, I seem to remember that YOU were the first to bring up the law of small numbers. I merely put it to practical application.

But I have to reverse my strategy with new factory preshuffled cards. They are arificially TOO random. But THAT is a bias in itself! AND therefore beatable!

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